Paladin AA Chat for The Darkened Sea

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[16:37] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Paladins are on the clock... Go!'
[16:37] <Jaerlyn> you want to start, shiftee?
[16:37] <Shang> Shiftee un-retires for one day a year to talk with Elidroth ;-)
[16:37] <shiftee> lol
[16:38] <shiftee> i been johnny casual for a little while now
[16:38] <shiftee> so i guess we should start
[16:38] <shiftee> Aggro -
[16:39] <shiftee> with the recent changes to sk and war aggro pal are now at the bottom of the pack
[16:39] <@Elidroth> No you're not
[16:39] <@Elidroth> not even close
[16:39] <@Elidroth> You can hold aggro just fine
[16:39] <shiftee> not as a class
[16:39] <shiftee> we don't need 78% aggro boost or anything
[16:39] <shiftee> but would you consider a group version of marrs salvation
[16:40] <shiftee> or a lowered recast to cast the single version on more group members
[16:40] <Maedhros> increased duration would be wonderful too
[16:40] <shiftee> voice of thule was the yin to marrs salvation yang
[16:41] <Khristopher> @Elidtroth - Additional Slay Undead Levels (to bring our DKP up, even with full 'Burns' going on) our DPS is still very low on Undead Targets compared to other classes, especially noticable on Raid Parses
[16:41] <shiftee> the % differences are starkly different now
[16:41] <Khristopher> DPS*
[16:41] <@Elidroth> If you spam me with stuff, someone's question is going to get missed. Let me answer before another question is asked
[16:42] * Warbane slaps Shennron around a bit with a large trout
[16:43] <@Elidroth> Interesting..
[16:43] <@Elidroth> I'll have to think about a group Marr's Salvation.. I don't know if that's where I want to go..
[16:43] <shiftee> ok
[16:44] <@Elidroth> I'll look at Slay Undead. No guarantees
[16:44] <shiftee> along the lines of slay undead
[16:44] <shiftee> there is a request out there for an uber slay
[16:44] <shiftee> since slay right now basically just does ok damage
[16:44] <shiftee> and if you don't want to make it random, a banestrike ability would work also
[16:45] <shiftee> a 1 million boom every 3-5 min
[16:46] <shiftee> headshot, decap, assassinate, wizard proc nuke all make slay look like childs play now
[16:46] <@Elidroth> I said I'll look at it.
[16:46] <shiftee> ok
[16:46] <Ravengloome> Ok, How about the Hate override on Beacon? Is it possible to re-evaluate that?
[16:47] <shiftee> the override isn't essential if you would just make it so it can't be resisted
[16:47] <@Elidroth> There is no hate override on Beacon of the Righteous
[16:47] <Ravengloome> There was
[16:47] <shiftee> it was recently removed :)
[16:48] <Riou> yea in last big patch it was removed, that hurt it bad
[16:48] <Ravengloome> It was the original fix for the poor resist modifer
[16:48] <Khristopher> ^
[16:48] <KyleReese> there was the ovverride until the patch what about all the time before Beacon of the Righteous was fixed
[16:48] <shiftee> intended or no, but it made it so our 2 min recast ae hate literally does next to nothing when we need it to
[16:48] <@Elidroth> I'm not going to make it unresistable
[16:48] <shiftee> 2 min recast ae hate and when blown we have nothing else
[16:49] <shiftee> it should work when we do use it
[16:49] <Ravengloome> Thats fine, But can we perhaps have a larger resist mod OR the override back then? Because if its is resisted its basically for naught as Shiftee just said
[16:49] <KyleReese> ae aggro we need this to be more powerful compared to the other classes
[16:50] <@Elidroth> I'll adjust the max resist chance
[16:50] <shiftee> thanks
[16:50] <shiftee> speaking of resists
[16:51] <Retrojuggalo> any chance of reducein beacon's recasting time further? or is it bottomed out?
[16:51] <shiftee> would you consider a paladin class aa that adds innate ability to reflect
[16:51] <shiftee> and once added give us full dot aa, so that if we reflect a dot it actually hurts the mob
[16:53] <Khristopher> @Elidroth - New AA** Passive adds a 1% chance to proc a short duration Fire Sword Pet that works on living and undead (Same graphic used on Spear of Fire proc saves development time as it can be reused...) adding a little dps, or you can look at it the other way stronger pet that's short duration and reusable every 30min or some duration
[16:53] <@Elidroth> looking at hastened beacon.. one sec
[16:53] <@Elidroth> 2 minutes is pretty much where we want it to be honest.. I don't think I'll make it any faster reuse than that
[16:54] <@Elidroth> I'm not going to give an innate chance to reflect spells
[16:54] <Retrojuggalo> aight, thanks, just curious because its pretty much our only ae aggro now, heals dont work like they used to or rune procs
[16:54] <@Elidroth> Correct.. Paladins are not intended to have much AoE aggro
[16:54] <shiftee> can we look at the recast and duration of shield of brilliance
[16:54] <Thundersnake> Any chance of adding to adjusting one of the current defensive AAs to give an additional chance of avoiding a strikethrough? It seems raid mobs have almost 100% strikethrough chance now
[16:55] <@Elidroth> Mob strikethrough is under review
[16:55] <Rylgon> For survival what about a self only DI proc with like a 20 minute cooldown something not as good as a cleric but something to help
[16:55] <ToughGuy> If I may, why not AE aggro for Paladins?
[16:56] <@Elidroth> Hastened Shield of Brilliance can get a few more ranks
[16:56] <shiftee> self only di would be great, but... it would seem more in line to get something like the ranger <x% health proc
[16:56] <@Elidroth> Because we have decided we don't want Paladins to have that
[16:57] <Jaerlyn> well, maybe a short reuse, one tic duration, 100% fire chance DI, for when swapping from disc to disc?
[16:58] <ToughGuy> Does that go for the other tanks as well? Does this mean Paladins should be better than the other tanks at single-target?
[16:58] <@Elidroth> They generally are
[16:58] <shiftee> i'd rather not argue out the ae aggro thing, we lost that fight eons ago
[16:58] <shiftee> w should talk about something productive
[16:59] <SKSKSKS> what should sks do if pallies also had ae agro ?`on raids
[16:59] <Retrojuggalo> yea if we sacrifce all of our abysmall dmg we are decent single target atm
[16:59] <@Elidroth> Are you going to keep debating this?
[17:00] <Medail> if you think this is bad wait untill the enchanter's turn
[17:00] <Ravengloome> How substantial is the upgrades to Healing Light? I noticed on the google drive we were getting new ranks
[17:00] <Jaerlyn> things have been civil all day, let's please not change that
[17:00] <Retrojuggalo> Anychance to get a spell gem refresh on kill credit? I dont think being able to use a spell once per mob would be OP , things like rejuvinating steel are rough to find uses for
[17:00] <Maedhros> i understand the change in directions recently to boost sks. i dont think its worth hoping for instant cast stuns or crushes, but greatly increased channeling would be wonderful.
[17:01] <@Elidroth> No Retro..
[17:01] <shiftee> @elidroth with the increase recently to stuns, our crush spells have lost their place, would you consider 1, instant crushes, 2 a recourse to crushes, such that if a crush is cast %chance to autocast extra single target hate or a %chance to autocast a ToTT heal
[17:03] <@Elidroth> That's not an AA issue
[17:03] <shiftee> no but it could be solved through aa
[17:03] <shiftee> stuns recourse a heal as is, all we are asking is that crushes provide the same benefit
[17:03] <shiftee> or a similar benefit
[17:04] <@Elidroth> Anything that involves spells or discs directly will be discussed with Aristo.. so I can't give a yes/no right now
[17:04] <shiftee> ok
[17:04] <@Elidroth> I'll add it to my list of things to talk with him about though
[17:04] <shiftee> we appreciate you bringing it up with him
[17:05] <Ravengloome> Would it be possible to look into a 2hander AA line, similar to SK bloodthirsty blade or is that not on the table?
[17:06] <@Elidroth> It's possible.. I'll put that on the list
[17:06] <shiftee> ^ we are falling well behind on passive dps when since inception the knights were equal
[17:06] <sobmre> hello all
[17:06] <@Elidroth> BRB.. need to use the restroom
[17:06] <Thundersnake> I'd like to see Staff block added for knights in general to have tanking with 2 hander viable
[17:06] <Warbane> this is everquest, where is your raid bucket?
[17:07] <Ravengloome> You aren't supposed to tank with a 2hander Thunder
[17:07] <sobmre> staff block are u kidding
[17:07] <Tharkis> "maaaa, bathroom!" "oh you're such a big boy"
[17:07] <ToughGuy> @shiftee he just got done telling SKs that they're the high DPS while tanking class.
[17:07] * sojuu slaps Tharkis around a bit with a large trout
[17:07] * Tharkis eats the trout
[17:08] <sobmre> pallys lack dps
[17:08] <sobmre> since 1999
[17:08] <Jaerlyn> he pointed out, though, that that's meant to be through activatables
[17:08] <SKSKSKS> no, he specifically said passive
[17:09] * Warbane slaps Shennron around a bit with a large trout
[17:09] <Warbane> GABE
[17:09] <illa> more class bickering can only lead to good things
[17:09] <Warbane> we can all agree to hate shennron
[17:09] <Shennron> =(
[17:09] <sobmre> need more damage bonuses on hits
[17:09] <Mykaylla> Don't leave too much stuff waiting for him to get back. And no one hates Shennron that has a heart.
[17:10] <illa> can't hate Shennron
[17:10] <BardsFTW> Maikeru ftw
[17:10] <shiftee> the difference should be with spells
[17:10] <shiftee> not passive melee dps
[17:10] <shiftee> i'm fine if they do more spell dps they should
[17:10] <shiftee> but passive melee has been identical for ever
[17:10] <Garrion> What is passive melee dps? I apologize for asking.
[17:11] <SKSKSKS> not to bicker more.. but adding bloodthirsty to pallies, couldent he just aswell add more knights advantage instead of a seperate line?
[17:11] <Ravengloome> Turning on Auto attack
[17:11] <shiftee> double attack shield specialist
[17:11] <sobmre> atk on no spells
[17:11] <Garrion> ahh ok
[17:11] <Ravengloome> Knights advantage does nothing when your maxed Double attack % chance in a round dude
[17:11] <shiftee> etc we share all aa lines except bloodthirsty 2her aa
[17:11] <shiftee> even 2h bash which was once paladin only
[17:11] <shiftee> via epic
[17:11] <shiftee> anyhow
[17:12] <Garrion> How many of today's classes have they gone through?
[17:12] <sobmre> 2hand bash was kinda a joke
[17:12] <sojuu> garrion: war and sk working on pallies now
[17:12] <Roth_Trailfinder> war, sk, now pal .. ranger next (much, much later)
[17:12] <Retrojuggalo> nah it was great for interrupting
[17:12] <sojuu> garrion:rangers are next after pallies
[17:12] <shiftee> ^
[17:12] <sobmre> we will just get act of valor 2.o
[17:12] <@Elidroth> ok
[17:12] <shiftee> wb
[17:13] <Retrojuggalo> Act of valor is never going to be worked on keep living the dream =p
[17:13] <Mykaylla> Welcome back Elidroth
[17:13] <sobmre> i request a rambo sattle for pally mounts and acy of valor 2.0 that lets yiu kill a mob not yiut self
[17:14] <sobmre> sorry this irc iphone app sucks
[17:14] <Rylgon> Where do you see paladins need work Elidroth?
[17:14] <Jaerlyn> Elidroth - was leaving out more ranks of healing gift for pallies (and clerics, for that matter) intentional?
[17:15] <@Elidroth> Healing Gift?

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[17:15] <Retrojuggalo> thats heal crits iirc
[17:15] <sobmre> who needs healing when u have pocket merc
[17:16] <shiftee> @elidroth Hand of piety afaik still does not crit the initial heal, would you please consider fixing the code problem with improving the base of the heal considerably to act like LoH just a flat heal that keeps pace with modern HP
[17:16] <@Elidroth> Hmm.. I must have missed it
[17:16] <@Elidroth> Yeah.. I can add a few ranks to Healing Gift
[17:16] <Mykaylla> Healing Gift is heal crit chance, and it is not listed, though Healing Adept and Healing Boon are.
[17:16] * Mykaylla goes back to observing.
[17:16] * Repthor slaps Mykaylla around a bit with a large trout
[17:18] <sobmre> judgement of light passive dd proc
[17:18] <@Elidroth> Looking at Hand of Piety
[17:18] <Jaerlyn> On the Hand of Piety line, would you consider allowing the new ranks to be Mass group buffable? while it's a little larger than the cleric celstial regen (in the Heal over time part), it's only 25% or so of the duration (with extensions)
[17:18] <Torriadore> Hi Elidroth, sorry if I ask any repeats, I just logged in
[17:18] <@Elidroth> No Jaerlyn
[17:19] <sobmre> higher chance to proc as the tagets ho goes lower
[17:19] <sobmre> ho
[17:19] <shiftee> Hand of piety got broken when we asked to have the heal over time added the base initial heal is like 4% of a players HP
[17:19] <sobmre> hp dam iphone
[17:19] <shiftee> it used to be a fully modded crit heal on cast to the group
[17:19] <shiftee> the base has fallen wildly behind
[17:19] <Retrojuggalo> It used to always crit was when they patched it ages ago
[17:19] <shiftee> and it can't crit anymore
[17:20] <@Elidroth> Not really seeing why it isn't critting. There's no crit override set
[17:20] <shiftee> so no fear of it doing to much by just upping the base
[17:20] <shiftee> IDK been broken for 4 expansiosn
[17:20] <shiftee> or more
[17:20] <BardsFTW> Rylgon is a dbag
[17:20] <illa> combo heal+hot or nuke+dot can't crit on the initial hits
[17:20] <sobmre> its cuz te heal over time proc on it
[17:21] <@Elidroth> there's no proc on it
[17:21] <shiftee> it is an autocast heal over time
[17:21] <sobmre> proc is for lack of s btter term
[17:21] <Torriadore> Can we get reflective heal spells (Protective dedication, ostracize lines) quickened to 0.5 second? They are some of our last 1 second spells cast while actively tanking
[17:22] <@Elidroth> I'll look into fixing the non-crit for sure and maybe add some extra initial heal if that can't happen
[17:22] <sobmre> our healing is good its dps we lack imo
[17:22] <Turayalon> @Elidroth another rank of Marrs Gift? Current rank gives 10k mana back. With a level increase and higher mana costing spells coming it would be a nice addition to help maintain mana
[17:23] * Mykaylla bonks Dinamu on the head.
[17:23] <shiftee> thanks eli
[17:23] <@Elidroth> Torriadore - I'd have to talk with Aristo about it, so no guarantees
[17:23] <Jaerlyn> i think our channeling in general maybe needs to be looked at, through more ranks of persistant casting, or something.
[17:23] <shiftee> we are getting more persistant iirc
[17:24] <shiftee> but that all goes back to game physics and push
[17:24] <shiftee> not real melee interrupts
[17:24] <Retrojuggalo> presistant is stuns/bash it isnt gunna help with the moonwalking =p
[17:24] <Jaerlyn> yeah, well, everything helps some
[17:25] <shiftee> @elidroth this was asked earlier and got skipped -- Elidroth - New AA** Passive adds a 1% chance to proc a short duration Fire Sword Pet that works on living and undead (Same graphic used on Spear of Fire proc saves development time as it can be reused...) adding a little dps, or you can look at it the other way stronger pet that's short durati
[17:25] <@Elidroth> Nothing can be done about that short of instant casts
[17:25] <KyleReese> will there be any tuning to make eq more accessible for less skilled players
[17:25] <Jaerlyn> was trying to avoid instant casts ;(
[17:25] <shiftee> @instant casts
[17:25] <shiftee> divine stun is instant cast, with the upgrade to terrors, Force of disruption should get the same treatment
[17:26] <shiftee> divine stun and Force of disruption are on the same timer
[17:26] <@Elidroth> Trying to avoid adding more swarm pets to the game.. they bog down people's computers already enough as is
[17:27] <Torriadore> Could we get something like this? Mighty Thunder of Karana, shares cooldown and duration with Armor of the Inquisitor, buffs us for increased spell damage like old manalinked gauntlets did, at the expense of the tanking buff armor of the inquisitor gives (forces us to choose)
[17:27] <@Elidroth> Yeah.. I can see dropping cast times on Force of Disruption
[17:27] <shiftee> current cast time is 0.5 seconds, instant would be most welcome
[17:28] <@Elidroth> I'll figure something out there, Shiftee
[17:28] <shiftee> All of our damage spells have bane damage to undead targets, Inquisitors judgement (proc dd aa) and disruptive persecution should seemingly have this bane damage added as well
[17:29] <@Elidroth> Torriadore.. I'll give that some thought.. I like the idea in theory but I'll need to do some testing to hit the numbers where I want them
[17:30] <Beimeith> The gauntlet buff was the same buff that armor of the inquisitor gives you, (minus the AC) why would you want a lesser version on the same timer?
[17:30] <Ravengloome> Because Spell damage
[17:30] <Ravengloome> Hes asking for it, so we can have a choice in trivial content, where we dont necessarilly need all that extra healing and could use alittle more oomph to our nukes
[17:31] <Torriadore> It would be a good option when not actively tanking on raids also
[17:31] <Jaerlyn> elidroth - there are no new ranks to group armor of the inquisitor. can you add some, maybe just to increase the AC? (and if it's possible, maybe add a HP component to it?
[17:31] <Beimeith> Why not just ask for more crit chance directly then? (that's what it did)
[17:32] <Ravengloome> I thought the gloves gave Crit Dmg % increase
[17:32] <Torriadore> They did
[17:32] <Beimeith> They did not.
[17:32] <@Elidroth> Go away Beimeith
[17:32] <shiftee> lol
[17:32] <Repthor> *smash*
[17:32] <@Elidroth> Starting arguments with players is not helpful
[17:33] <shiftee> **restating** All of our damage spells have bane damage to undead targets, Inquisitors judgement (proc dd aa) and disruptive persecution should seemingly have this bane damage added as well
[17:33] <Beimeith> I'm correcting them because what they said was wrong, but sure.
[17:33] <@Elidroth> example Shiftee?
[17:33] <shiftee> spells
[17:34] <@Elidroth> when I ask you for an example.. saying "spells" is not an answer
[17:34] <Torriadore> Please look up spell empowerment on lucy then bring the conversation to tank forums, better things to talk about here
[17:34] <shiftee> [25285/10319] Elegy
[17:34] <shiftee> Classes: PAL/86
[17:34] <shiftee> Skill: Evocation
[17:34] <shiftee> Mana: 544
[17:34] <shiftee> Target: Single
[17:34] <shiftee> Range: 200'
[17:34] <shiftee> Resist: Magic -55
[17:34] <@Elidroth> it's a thing.. but not an answer
[17:34] <shiftee> Reflectable: Yes
[17:34] <shiftee> Casting: 0.5s, Recast: 18s, Rest: 1.5s
[17:34] <shiftee> 1: Decrease Current HP by 2938 (If Undead4)
[17:34] <shiftee> 2: Cast: Elegy Trigger (20% Chance)
[17:34] <shiftee> 3: Decrease Current HP by 1763 (If Not Undead4)
[17:34] <shiftee> lol
[17:34] <shiftee> I was looking it up
[17:34] <Retrojuggalo> ostracize , glorious, paen, crushes do it aswell
[17:34] <shiftee> basically extra damage if target is undead
[17:35] <@Elidroth> I see..
[17:35] <shiftee> all of our damage options have increased damage vs undead targets, we'd like to see that extended to the aa lines
[17:35] <@Elidroth> Not unreasonable
[17:35] <Retrojuggalo> Any chance of getting an aa version of splash that is PBAOE?
[17:36] <@Elidroth> no
[17:36] <shiftee> has code fixed free targeting on AA casts?
[17:36] <@Elidroth> Nope.. sadly not
[17:36] <@Elidroth> still can't do it
[17:36] <shiftee> ok i'll skip that one
[17:36] <shiftee> Act of valor 2.0
[17:36] <shiftee> :)
[17:36] <shiftee> ok but seriously
[17:36] <Jaerlyn> elidroth - there are no new ranks to group armor of the inquisitor. can you add some, maybe just to increase the AC? (and if it's possible, maybe add a HP component to it? (restating)
[17:36] <ToughGuy> Kills every Paladin on the server?
[17:37] <shiftee> When a paladin is slain in combat autocast a PBAOE heal
[17:37] <@Elidroth> There are 3 new ranks of Armor of the Inquisitor.. Not sure what you're looking at
[17:37] <@Elidroth> oh.. group
[17:37] <@Elidroth> one sec
[17:38] <@Elidroth> Yeah.. I think I'm going to leave Group Armor of the Inquisitor alone for now
[17:38] <Turayalon> restating @Elidroth any chance of another rank of Marrs Gift, currently gives back 10k mana with the new level increase and higher mana costs on spells coming would help sustain mana
[17:39] <@Elidroth> No.. Not this go around
[17:39] <Ravengloome> Yaulp rank 4... Can we still not use this on mounts?
[17:40] <Jaerlyn> or can we get our own version, that is mount usable?
[17:41] <Rylgon> How about a vanity pet aa for the fun of it that summons a squire just for fun =)
[17:41] <shiftee> @elidroth -- Soulfire
[17:41] <shiftee> 1.Summon Brilliant Sword of Faith
[17:41] <shiftee> Classes: Pal/100 Skill: Conjuration
[17:41] <shiftee> Mana 2500
[17:41] <shiftee> Target: Self
[17:41] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[17:41] <shiftee> Casting: 3.0s, Recast: 600s, Rest: 1.5s
[17:41] <shiftee> 1: Summon: [Brilliant Sword of Faith]
[17:41] <shiftee> Text: A Fiery Sword forms in your hands.
[17:41] <shiftee> Brilliant Sword of Faith
[17:41] <shiftee> Target: Self
[17:41] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[17:41] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[17:42] <shiftee> Charges 3
[17:42] <shiftee> Recast Time: 300s
[17:42] <shiftee> 1: Increase Current HP by 6201
[17:42] <shiftee> Text: You are bathed in the light of the Truthbringer.
[17:42] <shiftee> basically summons an item that you can click like oldschool soulfire for an instant heal
[17:42] <Maedhros> sounds like an item for station store Rylgon
[17:43] <Rylgon> Well so are mounts be we have like 7 of those lol
[17:43] <@Elidroth> Yaulp should be mount usable with the next patch
[17:43] <Ravengloome> Thank you
[17:43] <shiftee> Soulfire was class defining, we always had the ability to summon hammers and what not
[17:44] <@Elidroth> that seems.. odd
[17:44] <shiftee> mage mod rods, chanter crystals for mana and healing
[17:44] <Torriadore> Pally conjuration needs love too!
[17:45] <shiftee> just a clickable heal like a potion
[17:45] <Roth_Trailfinder> Clerics had spells to summon hammers, and like Yaulp, Paladins got the ability as part of the "tank+cleric hybrid" idea
[17:45] <@Elidroth> No. I can see them doing those sorts of things
[17:45] <Shang> All yaulp versions will be usable on a mount?
[17:45] <@Elidroth> Pally AA versions

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[17:45] <Shang> Thank god. Thank you.
[17:46] <shiftee> was that a no to the clicky heal?
[17:46] <Jaerlyn> elidroth - can we get some more HPs? the difference between knight and war HPs is one of the issues with tanking. maybe even a few more ranks of the old planar durability?
[17:47] <Berserker01> Pally version of Warlords Tenacity :)
[17:47] <Jaerlyn> we're what, approx 20k or so behind wars?
[17:47] <Jaerlyn> and that's before cleric % based aura
[17:47] <Rylgon> Can we get a knight 2h block ability? less than shield block but allow us to use a 2h for trash easier?
[17:48] <@Elidroth> Knight and Warrior HP differences are intentional
[17:48] <shiftee> @elidroth - Hand of Tunare
[17:48] <shiftee> Classes: Pal/100
[17:48] <shiftee> Target: Self
[17:48] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[17:48] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[17:49] <shiftee> Duration: 30s (3 ticks), Extendable: yes, Dispelable: Yes
[17:49] <shiftee> Max Hits: 10
[17:49] <shiftee> Matching Spells
[17:49] <shiftee> 1: Increase Chance to Twincast by 100%
[17:49] <shiftee> 2: Limit Effect: Current HP
[17:49] <shiftee> 3: Limit Max Duration: 0s
[17:49] <shiftee> 4: Limit Min Mana Cost: 10
[17:49] <shiftee> 5: Limit Type: Exclude Procs
[17:49] <Jaerlyn> i realize that, just wasn't sure the the isze of the gap was supposed to be so large.
[17:49] <shiftee> 6: Limit Type: Beneficial
[17:49] <shiftee> 7: Cast on fade: [Answered Prayer]
[17:49] <shiftee> Text: You sense a divine presence.
[17:49] <shiftee> Splits your magic, allowing you to twincast healing spells.
[17:49] <shiftee> Answered Prayer
[17:49] <shiftee> Target: self
[17:49] <shiftee> Range: 100'
[17:49] <shiftee> Resist: beneficial, Blockable: No
[17:49] <shiftee> Dispelable: No
[17:49] <shiftee> Reflectable: No
[17:49] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[17:49] <shiftee> Duration: 12s
[17:49] <shiftee> 1: Inhibit Spell Casting
[17:49] <shiftee> Text: Your answered prayer has left you speechless.
[17:49] <shiftee> short term 10 charges of twinheal, that silences us after it fades
[17:51] <illa> wow, no flood kick
[17:51] <@Elidroth> Not saying no.. but I'll need to look into that
[17:52] <shiftee> ok
[17:52] <shiftee> @elidroth -- Jyleel’s Gift
[17:52] <shiftee> Either a passive AA with an innate 6/9/12% chance to proc Crusader’s Shield or an activated AA that lasts for 1 min with a 25% chance to proc Crusader’s shield. Essentially everytime the paladin casts a heal (above lvl 75 and excluding procs) He has a chance to feedback a rune onto himself.
[17:52] <shiftee> Class Pal/100
[17:52] <shiftee> Target: Self
[17:52] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[17:52] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[17:52] <shiftee> Duration: 60s (10 ticks), Extendable: Yes, Dispelable: Yes
[17:52] <shiftee> 1: Cast on Spell Use: [Crusaders Shield (25% Chance)]
[17:52] <shiftee> 2: Limit Spell Category: Beneficial
[17:52] <shiftee> 3: Limit Min Level: 75
[17:52] <shiftee> 4: Limit Min Mana Cost: 10
[17:52] <shiftee> 5: Limit Type: Exclude Procs
[17:52] <shiftee> Text: Your hands burn with a blue flame.
[17:52] <shiftee> Crusader’s Shield
[17:52] <shiftee> Target: Self
[17:52] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[17:52] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[17:52] <shiftee> Duration: 60s, Extendable: Yes, Dispelable: Yes
[17:52] <shiftee> 1: Absorb Damage: 100% Total: 10000
[17:53] <Rylgon> Can we get Blessing of the Faithful to proc off assist as well?
[17:53] <Ravengloome> Would it be possible to look into more Ranks of Valorous rage? More Ranks for Hastened Holyforge, and possibly hastened Pureforge. Or any one of those 3 in the future?
[17:53] <Dinamu> How about hastened ageless enmity?
[17:53] <@Elidroth> Not a chance on that Crusader's Shield
[17:54] <Ravengloome> hahaha
[17:54] <shiftee> even if it was a 2% chance to proc a rune of lesser amount?
[17:54] <shiftee> if limited proc heals it would rarely fire
[17:54] <@Elidroth> Hastened Ageless Enmity is coming
[17:54] <Khristopher> The Hastened Holyforge (mentioned above) would be awesome - this hasn't had an update in a long time...
[17:54] <shiftee> as long as it had a mana cost attached and a cast time
[17:54] <Dinamu> awesome ty
[17:55] <Ravengloome> Just wondering Eli How much will it Hasten Ageless by?
[17:55] <Retrojuggalo> Are there more ranks of ageless coming with the hastened?
[17:55] <@Elidroth> I hadn't planned on adding new ranks
[17:56] <Jaerlyn> it's older, but can we get some more ranks of quickened radiant cure? (heck, and some hastened even)
[17:56] <Retrojuggalo> raidiant cure needs more ranks too !
[17:57] <@Elidroth> Radiant Cure is fine where it is
[17:57] <illa> there really is an annoying disconnect between cures and content for most classes
[17:57] <shiftee> @elidroth - Valorous rage, when first introduced deemed to powerful and nerfed, as dps classes have seen increases to their dps output would it be ok to up this a bit more
[17:58] <shiftee> to keep us in line with the growth of mob HP pools
[17:58] <@Elidroth> The intent is for players to have to work together to cure things.. Nobody is supposed to be a 1-button cure all
[17:58] <shiftee> underfoot would like to have a word with you
[17:58] <shiftee> !
[17:58] <shiftee> j/k
[17:58] <Jaerlyn> ok, time for an out-there one... willing to give us an AE version of divine call? it's a positional ability, not really an agro one.
[17:59] <@Elidroth> Valorous Rage is fine for now
[18:00] <Rylgon> Can we get Blessing of the Faithful to proc off assist as well?
[18:00] <Khristopher> @Elidroth - sorry trying to follow the chat did you say you didn't plan on adding ranks to Hastened Holyforge? I think this would be beneficial and hasn't been updated in a long time as well, thanks sir
[18:01] <Arthion> Ranger time
[18:01] <@Elidroth> I can add a couple ranks to it
[18:01] <Khristopher> Thanks sir!
[18:01] <@Elidroth> Rangers will start at 4:30 PST
[18:01] <Arthion> roger
[18:01] <@Elidroth> I took a 30 minute break to eat earlier
[18:01] <Arthion> NO BREAKS..jk
[18:02] <Ravengloome> Is hastened pureforge out of the question Eli?
[18:02] <Jaerlyn> (repeated) - any chance of an AE version of divine call? it's a positional ability, not an aggro one.
[18:02] <shiftee> i know this isn't all together important, but Halt the Dead is basically broken
[18:05] <@Elidroth> How is it broken?
[18:06] <shiftee> the snare breaks early
[18:06] <shiftee> like it is a root
[18:06] <shiftee> I've not encountered any other snare in game that just wears off like 2 seconds into it
[18:07] <Torriadore> Sacred Shield: Passive chance of proccing a heal when executing a shield bash (think tier 1 cotf raid rare shield)
[18:07] <shiftee> Bash in general should get the ability to double, triple and flurry
[18:08] <@Elidroth> that capability doesn't exist
[18:08] <Torriadore> ok
[18:09] <Berserker01> cant have bash give a innate chance to proc a skill attack :)
[18:09] <vilems> thunderfoot for bashes
[18:09] <Retrojuggalo> Can blessing of faith be allowed to trigger off green and lower mobs?
[18:09] <shiftee> how do rogues get double triple etc backstab?
[18:09] <shiftee> they are both combat abilities
[18:09] <Roth_Trailfinder> Frenzied Bashing, similar to the berserker's Frenzied Volley, you mean? hehe
[18:09] <Jaerlyn> elidroth - would you consider another rank or two of the general AA mystical shield, for tanks? (or just a tank version that stacks)
[18:10] <@Elidroth> I have no control over Proc on Killshot effective levels
[18:10] <@Elidroth> it has to be a blue or better
[18:10] <@Elidroth> it's hard coded
[18:11] <@Elidroth> No Jaerlyn
[18:12] <shiftee> @elidroth -- Marr’s Favor
[18:12] <shiftee> Classes: PAL/100
[18:12] <shiftee> Skill: Alteration
[18:12] <shiftee> Mana: 0
[18:12] <shiftee> Target: Self
[18:12] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[18:12] <shiftee> Casting: instant, Recast: 1200s, Rest: 1.5s
[18:12] <shiftee> Duration: 2m (20 ticks), Extendable: No, Dispelable: Yes
[18:12] <shiftee> Max Hits: 10
[18:12] <shiftee> 1: Absorb Spell Damage: 50% Total: 1000000
[18:12] <shiftee> 2: Decrease current Mana by 84 per tic
[18:12] <shiftee> 3: Cast on fade: [Mana Shock]
[18:12] <shiftee> Text: Your Courage is praised.
[18:12] <shiftee> Mana Shock
[18:12] <shiftee> Resist: Unresistible, Blockable: No
[18:12] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[18:12] <@Elidroth> You can stop now
[18:12] <shiftee> Duration 1m, Extendable: No: Dispelable: No
[18:12] <shiftee> 1: Decrease current mana by 84 per tic
[18:12] <shiftee> 2: Cast on fade: [Marr’s Approval]
[18:12] <shiftee> Marr’s Approval
[18:12] <shiftee> Target: Self
[18:12] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
[18:12] <shiftee> Casting: 0s
[18:12] <shiftee> 1: Increase Current HP by 20000
[18:12] <shiftee> Text: You are Favored.
[18:12] <@Elidroth> No way I'm giving Paladins a 50% rune for 1Mil damage
[18:12] <shiftee> 50% spell dmg rune
[18:12] <Jaerlyn> rofls
[18:12] <shiftee> witha 10 hit limit
[18:13] <shiftee> not melee damage
[18:13] <shiftee> its just a spell absorb reducing incoming dd dmg

[Rorce]

[18:13] <@Elidroth> No
[18:14] <Torriadore> Erollsi's Love: Group buff for flat X amount of increased healing (same buff concept as Silken Trillium)
[18:14] <shiftee> on merit or numbers?
[18:14] <@Elidroth> Pretty much the entire thing
[18:14] <@Elidroth> Spell damage is a part of the game. I'm not going to abstract that away for tanks
[18:14] <shiftee> I researched current abilities like glyph spray etc for the numbers
[18:15] <shiftee> ok
[18:15] <@Elidroth> Are you an Enchanter?
[18:15] <shiftee> Paladin niche was avoiding spell damage, I was attempting to expound on that
[18:15] <@Elidroth> No? Then No.
[18:15] <Ravengloome> Another rank or Two of Fervent blessing to bring downt he recast timer on LOH/GIft of Life?
[18:15] <shiftee> silent piety, shield of brilliance, sanctification
[18:15] <Shang_Laptop> I'm not an Enchanter, but I play one on TV
[18:16] <shiftee> Only continuing the dialogue so that I know where you stand on future class design of spell avoidance
[18:16] <@Elidroth> "... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"
[18:16] <Shang_Laptop> $$$
[18:16] <shiftee> Nullify Magic
[18:16] <shiftee> Skill: Abjuration
[18:16] <shiftee> Mana: 50
[18:16] <shiftee> Target: Single
[18:16] <shiftee> Range: 200'
[18:16] <shiftee> Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: No
[18:16] <shiftee> Casting: 4.5s, Recast: 6s, Rest: 1.5s
[18:16] <shiftee> 1: Dispel (4)
[18:16] <illa> pasting spell mock-ups is really annoying
[18:16] <shiftee> 2: Dispel (4)
[18:16] <shiftee> Text: You feel dispelled.
[18:16] <shiftee> Cancels magical enchantments affecting your target.
[18:17] <shiftee> chatting in when not a paladin is equally annoying
[18:17] <@Elidroth> I think Lay on Hands is OK where it is right now for reuse
[18:17] <Jaerlyn> (repeated) - any chance of an AE version of divine call? it's a positional ability, not an aggro one. :)
[18:17] <vilems> put every mob you can at your back ;)
[18:17] <@Elidroth> Sorry that's just not what a Paladin is for
[18:18] <@Elidroth> I'm not going to give away other abilities so Paladins can feel like a one-size-fits-all class
[18:18] <Jaerlyn> no one has a AE lurch, do they? and we have a single target one
[18:19] <@Elidroth> nobody is getting one either
[18:19] <Jaerlyn> okies :)
[18:19] <shiftee> is that a no to nullify magic?
[18:19] <vilems> the dispel thing is nice, id rather have it as an activate tho
[18:20] <shiftee> it is a copy of the spell :/
[18:20] <shiftee> which he will probably say no to but we ask every year
[18:20] <Retrojuggalo> Any chance for a HoT focus amount line? currently we just have crits?
[18:20] <@Elidroth> Yeah.. I don't want to move that to an AA
[18:20] <raisin> Lurch got nerfed and removed from enchanters
[18:20] <@Elidroth> if you want to use Nullify Magic.. mem the spell
[18:21] <Torriadore> (repeat) Erollsi's love: Group buff for flat increased healing for X amount (Similar buff design to Silken Trillium)
[18:21] <Maedhros> interested in an alternative version of inquistors judgement that will perhaps be less dps, but add + hate when it procs. possibly same cool down timer so you have to chose
[18:21] <shiftee> you mean keep the spell memorized permenantly, you do realize we get hit by mobs for a living right? how does one mem the spell while tanking?
[18:22] <Warbane> @Elidroth - Paladin - a new mount, that's a moose and yowls something like 'hooooooodge' when you first mount up. Bard speed like before, AC/hp/mana etc. Also has butterflies around it when you move, pink preferably.
[18:23] * @Elidroth sighs
[18:23] <@Elidroth> If it's important to you Shiftee.. keep it memmed
[18:23] <@Elidroth> if it's not.. then have someone else who isn't getting hit mem it
[18:23] <@Elidroth> and use it for you
[18:24] <shiftee> easier said than done when you realize during battle you want something dispelled but i digress
[18:24] <shiftee> moving on
[18:24] <Turayalon> @Elidroth hastened pureforge and valorous rage currently both 20min reuse bring it to say 15min reuse ?
[18:27] <@Elidroth> I'll look at it but I won't say yes/no right now
[18:27] <shiftee> Divine stun == please consider increasing the push units of this AA.
[18:29] <@Elidroth> I'll look at it
[18:29] <Ravengloome> Is another Rank of Divine call with more + hate possible?
[18:29] <Maedhros> Is it possible to lower the resistance on divine call as well? its rarely usable
[18:30] <shiftee> since heroic leap didn't break the game, would you consider adding a +hate mod to it this year, or a an accuracy mod
[18:30] <@Elidroth> I'll definitely look at resists
[18:30] <@Elidroth> hate amount is possible
[18:30] <shiftee> sweet thanks
[18:30] <@Elidroth> not really going to use hate mod if I can help it much
[18:30] <shiftee> well a 1 tic
[18:30] <shiftee> hate buff
[18:31] <shiftee> so everything we do when tagging is modified for 1 tic
[18:31] <@Elidroth> we'll see
[18:31] <@Elidroth> And with that.. we're going to move to Rangers in a second
[18:31] <@Elidroth> thanks Paladins
[18:31] <Torriadore> Thanks for the chat, Elidroth
[18:31] <ToughGuy> 100% rez
[18:31] <@Elidroth> As always.. PM me with stuff if you have questions or suggestions